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Ooops, that was supposed to be link to picture of my Joe Starck-built Quickbeam. Joe has been causing quite a ruckus on the normally sedate, pensive, phillisophical 'should I sell all my bike but one?' IBOB list lately.

The bikes that he has built that I have been fortunate enought to see or in this case own are just great, finest example of the framebuilder's art. Or maybe craft. But that is an IBOB type question.

I think that this is a brilliant piece of writing: Joe's story. It so cleanly skewers the IBOBs that they were left speechless, dumbfounded.

JS seems like an interesting guy. That story you linked is pretty funny, fixedgear, though I feel I should read it a few more times to get more of the hidden digs.

I recall awhile back on the Riv list (I don't subscribe to the iBOB one), somebody saying he wanted to quit his day job to be Curt Goodrich's shop bi-atch, or something to that effect. I imagine JS had to deal with a fair amount of such perverse cult worship as well, when he was building Rivs. I can see how it would get old, with some of these Riv listers treating you like a god and hanging on every syllable you speak about chainstay length and seat tube angle and bottom bracket height and shellacked cloth tape and leather saddles and organic pine tar soap. I'm sure regular phone calls and emails from complete raving whack-jobs is part of the custom framebuilding business, especially for those who build the cult-favorite Rivendells.

Hey Scott:
Have you submitted a FBQ to Chris Kvale? He's a local favorite and I've seen some stunning examples of his work. I heard he's hard to get in touch with this time of year, as he's busy running a resort up on Lake Superior.

Jim-

The "Shop Bi-atch" line is from Matthew Grimm of Kogswell Cycles, another Minnesota guy who apparently would rather braze than import. At least my sources tell me this. ;-]

"I'm sure regular phone calls and emails from complete raving whack-jobs is part of the custom framebuilding business,... ", nasty, but extremely funny comment... good one!

And yes, Chris is a tough one. He was/is on my original list from a few weeks ago.

-Me (Large Fella)


I enjoy running Kogswell.

But I'd rinse flux for Curt or Joe or Bob or Chris any time.

Please?

Jesus Jim, feel free to send me your Atlantis any time as well as any other Riv products you need to ditch to get the stain of flirting with the cult off of you. Knee jerk contrariness against perceived popularity is about as interesting as rabidness.

Calm down mofos. I didn't say everybody who likes or owns Rivendell bikes is a whack-job. But there are a few. And I like my Atlantis just fine.

That's coo, just been seeing a series of these comments of late. I read a lot of different cycling lists, blogs and board (I feel I must waste time at work to compensate for them expecting me to work more then 40 hours ;) and I've seen rabidness for everything, most of which puts bagmatchers and similar to shame. There are for example Surly partisans just as rabid, Tandemers who are down right aggressive with their "single-bike" terminology, fixed gear partisans that denigrate non converts and so on. And I don't even hang in BMX, Mountain bike or serious roadie forums. Rivendell can't be faulted for some overly obsessed members just like the above aren't to blame.

It's a funny phenomenon, this rabidness. I've tried to be rabid about being anti-rabid, and I encounter rabidness from the anti-anti-rabid opposition. I guess it's best to just not say anything opinionated at all, in jest or not. But I'm probably wrong.

Regarding the shop bi-atch comment:
I didn't recall (or care to look up) who made that comment originally until now. Originally, I thought this was the iBOB/Riv equivalent of the club racer guy who would scrub out Lance's chamois with his own toothbrush if only he could hang out in the presence of greatness. Anyway, I'm not sure why Matthew of Kogswell wants to apprentice to these guys. Last I saw, Kogswell does very nice work in its own right. The Model P is sweet.
http://www.kogswell.com/p.html

"I enjoy running Kogswell.

But I'd rinse flux for Curt or Joe or Bob or Chris any time.

Please?"

lol, glad you stopped by Matt... good to see you here!

Hatta & Jim... hug and then STFU (just kidding!!). Seriously, you both bring up great points. Being anti-hype is a tough road to walk, while even singing softly of something one believes in can be fodder for cultism if heard by the right person/people.

It's a fine line between pleasure & twain (Shania, that is).

Jim- What you might be missing is that Kogswell's are Asian imported frames... some would say, "Surly's wit da lugz". ;-]

-Me (Large Fella)

There are for example Surly partisans just as rabid, Tandemers who are down right aggressive with their "single-bike" terminology, fixed gear partisans that denigrate non converts and so on.

Don't forget those freaks on recumbents, guys that almost every cyclist can look down their nose at ;-) And they say 'wedgie' which makes me want to stick my frame pump in their spokes. Mama, mama, the Italians are coming!

BTW, it is great to see Matthew here. Was I his first customer? I was close, and the hubs are still greeat.

When youse are done dissing one another, go check out the bike porn.

Part 2 is up.

Who's dissing who? Where, where?! Lemme at 'em!

;-]

"Jim- What you might be missing is that Kogswell's are Asian imported frames... some would say, "Surly's wit da lugz". ;-]"

Thanks Scott. I didn't know that. I saw some of those frames on eBay for like $600 or something, and I couldn't figure out how they got em so low. Doesn't matter much to me. They're still nice bikes from the looks of them.

I'll STFU now.

Jim said-

"I'll STFU now."
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Really you don't have to you know? I was just riffing...

-Me

I know a lot of people are going to flame me for saying this...but I would NEVER have a guy who says he doesn't ride and doesn't want to and who wouldn't build frames for a living if he were to rewind his life build my bike. Period. I'm sure Mr. Starck builds some real nice frames and everything but being a poet maybe he would understand that I would need my frame to have the positive energy of someone who still loves and lives cycling, not someone who actually believes he has actually produced any "perfect" frames. Unfortunately, it's like approaching 0 as a fraction...impossible.

Germane to this thread, I wrote a poem on the subject, ergo, the title of my poem is "Perfect."

Here it is:

Jewdom's ethnocentric greed has so ill-interpreted Scripture to an unforeseen degree of irrelevancy to the very most original author's intent, that author therefore, God of Moses, has decided to write off plan A, "Israel," and start anew with plan B, with one man, me, Joe Starck, solely because I've delighted God with my visions of my interpretation of that part of God's Law commonly referred to as the Second Commandment, yet, a rank which signifies that Commandment as the supreme seed of prophetical potentiality.

Following is a Revised Edition of my post of July 13, 2007 at 09:04 PM:


"Sects of ethnocentric greed had so ill-interpreted Scripture to an unforseen degree of irrelevancy to the very most original author's intent, that author therefore, God of Moses, decided to start anew WITH ME, solely because I delighted God with my visions of my interpretations of that part of God's law commonly referred to as the Second Commandment, yet a rank which signifies that Commandment as the supreme seed of prophetical potentiality."
Joe Starck,
Founder,
Second Commandment Order of the God of Moses

Where have you come from and where are you going? -God of Hagar

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